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Odds Pot and Otherwise

The term odds is used in many different ways in any discussion of proper tactics in poker.  They are also depicted in many way, but no matter how you say it are how you depict it you are still talking about one thing,  MATH or more precisely fractions and percentages.  Some people are lucky enough to have the talent of doing it in their head, but for many it can be a significant problem to do it on paper, much more so quickly in their head while under some pressure   Taking out a calculator at the table is consider rather rude, and inappropriate.  Even online All of the only one of the available poker aides calculate the pot odds for you, Poker Office.  I have actually use my contacts, through 5th Street Magazine to contact several publishers to suggest that they add pot odds to their application.  For the odds of making your hand, especially in Hold'em it is quite a bit simpler since the odds never change simply get a good chart and memorize them.  (Download Here.) In Stud we are back to mental calculations, but they aren't that difficult

The discussion is even further complicated by listing odds in several different ways.  The can be listed as a percentage chance of completing your hand, like 20%.  They can be listed as 1 chance in 5, (1/5).  They can be listed as a 1 to 4, (1:4) chance of completing or a 4:1 against.  None of these take into account that you might make your hand but still lose to a better hand.  Too many discussions flip back and forth using all of these conventions.  We'll try to stay to one constant.  The chances of completing your hand, 1:4.  When discussing pot odds we will also use the bet size to the pot size.  This way you can make a direct comparison.  Using the example above if the pot odds are greater than 1:4 say 1:5, we call.  If they are less, 1:3 then we suggest folding. Now since many others articles switch back an forth.

More and more we see the chances of making your hand depicted as a percentage.  since Pot Odds normally show up as "total pot" to "bet."  Since it is easier to convert the percentage let's do that.

odds="percentage chance of success" to "percentage chance of failure"

So in the example above the odds would be 20% to 80%  we can quickly covert that by dividing by 20%  (20%/20%) to (80%/20%)  or 1:4

Another example:  15% chance of making our hand is 15%:85% or (15%/15%):(85%/15%) or 1:5.6

Or since the odds never change in Hold'em here are some common conversions.  Odds are rounded down to the nearest halfI have provided only the odds one card for a reason that should become clear later.

Outs Hand on Flop Percentage Odds
2 1 Pair to Trips 4% 1:22.5
4 Inside Straight 8% 1:11
4 2 Pair to Fullhouse 8% 1:11
8 Open Ended Straight 18% 1:4.5
9 4 Flush 20% 1:4
6 Trips to Fullhouse 13.3% 1:6.5
15 Straight Flush 32% 1:2
25 *Best Hold'em draw 53% 1:1

*Best draw:  KhKd   <Qh,Jh,Th> <Ks> <?> 4xAs, 4x9s, 3xQs, 3xJs, 3xTs, Kc, and the 7xHearts remaining. 25 outs.

In Hold'em, the calculation of the odds of making a hand are quite simple.  First count the possible cards that will make your hand, outs.  When you count your outs, make sure that you do not count those cards that will give   some else a better hand.  So if the Kh gives you trips but puts a possible flush on board, the Kh is not one of your outs.  Then put that number to the number of cards remaining in the deck that will not make your hand.

So you have an opened ended straight draw and a pair, but there are 2 flush cards on the board.   Let's count the outs, 4 on each end of straight minus  the cards that would put the flush cards out is 6, plus the 2 cards that give you trips.  That is total of 8 outs. Now we put that to the number of cards remaining in the deck that does not make our hand.  (47-8) or 8:39.  Divide both sides by 8,  (8/8:39/8)= 1:5 (well almost anyway.)  If that is still to much download a copy of the chart here and make it you desktop.

 

Okay, let's look at Pot Odds.  Pot Odds is simply the ration of the total bet a player must call to the total amount of money in the pot or  "Bet":"Total Pot."  So if you are in a $1/2 game and there is a bet and a raise, $4, to you and the pot has $18.50 in it, your pot odds would be:  4:18.50 or (4/4:18.5/4)=1:4.5 (approximately, 18.5 actually = 4.625.)

Here is another way that you might find quite simple that doesn't require as much division.

 

Implied Odds is a calculation of Pot Odds that takes into account future betting.  If you win, you expect to win additional bets later in the hand.  To calculate implied odds simply add the future bets to the appropriate values.  So in our $1/2 game, you have gotten to the turn and need one card to make your nut straight.  The pot has $8 dollars in it and you must call $2.  The pot odds are 1:4 but the draw odds are 1:4.5.  You should fold, but if you make you nut straight you expect to win at least one additional bet.  So you can add that bet to the total and the pot odds become 1:5 and makes it a call.  If you do not hit your nut straight you fold.

Caution the above example is not a proper calculation of the pot odds if you are not drawing to the nuts.  If you are not drawing to the nuts you must also factor in the additional bets you must put into the pot, when your hand is not the nuts and may be beaten.  So if your straight draw is not to the nuts, you must add the $2 call this round plus the $2 bet on the next round so your pot odds become (2+2):(8+2)=4:10 or (4/4:10/4)=1:2.5.  Your implied odds actually got worse.

This error is one of the most common in poker.  If you are not drawing to the winning hand, you should not use implied odds. Be aware of all the possible hands on the board and what can beat yours.  "If there is a pair on board, there is no nut flush."  -ot

 

The reason I do not like to use the probability of hitting your hand on the turn or the river is because it requires the additional calculation of implied odds.  Let's look at the example where you have  an two pair draw with 4 outs.  Your odds to making the fullhouse with one card is about 1:11, but you have two shots so the odds all the way to the river. is 1:5.  In this situation a $2 bet to a $14 pot would yield pot odds of 1:7 and would seem to indicate a call, but in this situation  you must consider pot odds.  In addition to the $2 bet you must expect to call and additional $2 on the turn so the implied odds are actually 4:12 or 1:3 and you should fold.  In closing, you will have to master implied odds and double draw odds to become an advanced player.  For the beginner it is probably best not to get involved.  It is to simple to make costly mistakes.   The misuse of these two concepts account for major leaks in many poker bankrolls.   One day I'll try to add a good explanation for the more experienced players.  Since the implied odds normally push this comparison to the fold decision.  Most players would be much better off ignoring the calculations and playing for the single card hit.

 



 

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